Eye Of The Storm: Interview With Lisa

By Kay Wilson

Lisa first went public with her abduction encounters in 1994 when she agreed, along with seven other women, to have her case featured in Karla Turner's book Taken: Inside The Alien-Human Abduction Agenda. I published a chapter about Lisa's experiences in 1996 in MILABS-Project Open Mind. Three years later in 1999, Lisa again shared some of her encounters with Marion and Helmut Lammer in their book MILABS: Military Mind Control and Alien Abduction.

I met Lisa fifteen years ago and we have been corresponding with one another ever since. Lisa has two adult children, and not only recently celebrated her 50th birthday, but will celebrate her 30th wedding anniversary this month with her husband Neal [pseudonym]. Like a lot of abductees, Lisa has a love for animals and nature, and has rescued and cared for many animals during her lifetime. She currently has cats, dogs, a donkey and a horse.

Lisa's ancestry is Italian and Scotch-Irish; however, when you read this interview, you will discover something very different about the way she views her heritage and it is the first time I have personally come across this in abduction research.

I have read hundreds of pages from Lisa's journals, which are replete with sketches and descriptions of the physical aftereffects from her abduction encounters. I have also seen some of her photographs showing triangular shaped bruises, round bruises with and without needle marks inside; bruises on the inside of her thighs, and dime sized bruises on various parts of her body. More about the physical effects of her abductions will be covered later in this interview.

When Lisa began investigating her experiences, she attended occasional meetings hosted by a UFO group in a neighboring town. She attempted regressive hypnosis one time, but was not able to remember anything new about her experiences. She is open to trying hypnosis again, but has not done so in the past 20 years. This is due to the fact that there is no one in her area who is both knowledgeable about abductions and performs regressive hypnosis. Therefore, all of the memories Lisa has documented in her journals are consciously recalled. Since Lisa's case has been featured in three other books, this interview will focus on her new encounters that have occurred over the past ten years.

Lisa, thanks so much for agreeing to this interview. Karla Turner was a highly respected abduction researcher. What was it like working with her?

"Working with Karla -- or Kandy as I called her -- was very helpful. She advised me not to leave out any details of my abductions, even if at the time they did not make any sense at all. For a woman who was small in stature, she was smart and tough and brave to have come forward with her own abductions as well as to help me and others to speak out about what was happening to us...I miss her."

Tell us a bit about your background Lisa. What area of the country were you born in?

"I was born in 1958 in Tennessee. I was the "baby" in a family with five children and we were poor. I have three older sisters and one brother. It was never a close family, and I always felt out of place with no real sense of belonging."

"My growing up years were difficult. There was no real affection shown to me, and my mother and father were not close. My father died a few months before I reached my 16th birthday. I was also pregnant at the time with my first child and got married. It was a bad marriage and it only lasted 3-1/2 years. I divorced and stayed single for a short time and then married my present husband Neal. We have been married for 30 years this year. We had a son together and currently live in the Deep South."

When did you first realize you were having abduction experiences?

"It may seem strange, but I was aware of them when I was a child lying in my crib. I can recall seeing the Greys and some other types of beings whose features seemed to be blocked out. They wore long white gowns with a belt at the waist. I recall they picked me up, and I refer to them as the Wise Ones."

"The abductions continued later in my life while attending school and also when I went out on dates. I liked school, but I felt so different from all my classmates, so I never said anything to anyone back then. Later in my life during an abduction I was told by a heavy-set, older man, that there is a program in existence called The Placement Program. This man told me, 'We find suitable families for our children,' referring to people like me."

It is not uncommon for abductees to feel cut off from family members or to experience feelings that they really belong somewhere else. However, this idea of there being a placement program is somewhat unique in the literature. Was this indeed a human male who told Lisa about the placement program or was it was an alien using a mental screen to make her think he was human? In any case, the idea of a placement program for "people like me," i.e., abductees, is rather telling. It would seem to indicate a selective preplanning of the abductee's life -- or at least Lisa's life. It may also be indicative of the aliens' trying to make Lisa believe that she is their child, as opposed to the biological child of her parents. I have heard these feelings expressed by other abductees and understandably, this has led many abductees, including Lisa, to feel as though her mother and father were not her true biological parents.

An Array of Beings

Can you describe the types of beings you have encountered? The being with the red eyes you saw in May of 2008 -- that one really stands out to me. Also, from what you have experienced, do you think these beings are working together or do you feel they each have their own agenda?

LisaBownBeing.JPG"The being with the red eyes had medium brown, rough skin. The eyes were more odd than I could draw. The pupils were black and slanted and were weird. His pupils would be slim and then get larger. He told me his name, but I forgot it. I cannot recall much about the clothing…it seemed silver and he might have had gloves and boots on."

"I have been abducted by several different beings. Most of the Greys are interested in our reproduction and seem also to be curious about our strengths and weaknesses. There are also many different looking Greys."

One Grey Lisa has seen appeared to have eyes that had a swirl type movement occurring inside of them. She said she remembers them being a deep golden color with black pupils.

In May of 2008, Lisa had an encounter involving a Reptilian being she described as having "veins on its head and body, claws and claw feet that had webbing between them, and I saw a penis and testicles. The being was over 6 feet tall, very muscular and had yellow eyes that had a slit for a pupil and would become larger at times. He had medium to dark brown skin. [He] said something to me, but I can't recall it."

"The reptile race is very aggressive. One time I was taken to what I took as their planet and brought before a Reptilian who was sitting on a throne, and the other reptiles bowed to him and called him 'King.' From what I have experienced, they follow no rules and they will not hesitate to rape you. There is also a Serpent race that behaves as the Reptilians do, and there is this tall being who wears a Cape and who scares me…"

I note that you have seen a female Reptilian, which we don't hear about as often as we hear about the males. What was that like?

"I felt slightly altered… I saw, standing in front of my side of the bed, a female reptile being and she said to me, 'I am not here to hurt you.' I knew that she would not… I said to her, 'You are so beautiful.' I got good feelings from her. She had a brownish face… the skin on her neck and shoulders might have been more the shade of an orange color, but it did not seem bright. I also saw claw hands."

Lisa has also encountered The Blondes, sometimes referred to as Nordics: "The Blondes are still interested in us and appear to like to have sex with us. Some of the Blondes I've seen seem to grunt and cannot speak as we do."

Do you feel that these beings interact or work with one another or do they work alone?

"I feel some do work together, but just to share their findings about us. It may also be to control us. The Reptilians seem to be the renegades of all the beings I have encountered...I have been taken to a place where I witnessed some type of meeting of many different beings that I felt was similar to a planetary meeting and they called themselves The Council. The meeting was about us -- human beings. None of these beings seemed to think we are worth anything and I had the feeling they found most humans way beneath them. They seemed to refer to Earth as The Penal Colony and said 'Earthlings were used as breeding stock.' I also feel some of them have already washed their hands of us."

"[I believe] these beings can do anything and go just about anywhere they want...I have seen beings that appear as a vapor or ghost-like, but have a full body shape. I do not understand how they can take me through doors or windows and then make my ceiling or walls just seem to disappear. I still have a lot to learn or to remember. I do know that space and time appear to have no hold on them."

In the spring of this year Lisa was working outside in her yard, and she sat down on the swing on her front porch because she needed to take a break. Suddenly, she felt as if her consciousness was being altered and she said to herself,

"Oh shit -- They're going to get me outside! ...Then I saw a brown, dark skinned being with rough skin and red eyes with slits up and down…it appeared in my mind and it telepathically said to me, 'Humans are trespassing on our planet Mars and have been for years. Get off of our planet.' I tried to answer back fast, 'You don't tell us what to do.' I was not afraid, just mad. I was about to tell this being to stop bothering us on our planet Earth also."

It appears that either Lisa's consciousness was altered in order for the being to relay this telepathic message and allow her to see him or this being was capable of rendering himself invisible. He seemed to be there one minute and then was gone the next.

Later that day Lisa and her husband were working in the yard, and a Coast Guard helicopter passed over them at a very low altitude and stopped between their house and their neighbor's house. It then "swung around very sharply to come back in our direction and it looked like it almost turned over and could barely straighten out. Then it swung in a circle and took off. It left and then came back and hovered in front of our house and seemed to be watching our reactions."

It makes one wonder: Did the Coast Guard helicopter simply make a bad maneuver, or was it somehow alerted to the alien presence Lisa had experienced earlier in the day? While there is a Coast Guard base in the city Lisa lives in, it is unusual for these helicopters to be reportedly involved in the surveillance of abductees; however, Lisa has reported and photographed their presence over her house numerous times. Is this a coincidence or has she attracted their attention because of her abduction experiences? Most of the helicopter photos I have seen that Lisa has taken depict dark, seemingly unmarked craft, but some do show Coast Guard helicopters.

I read many entries in your journal that talk about unusual helicopter activity that occurs over or near your home. You've even moved to a new location and it is still occurring. Can you elaborate a bit more on this?

"The activity has been going on and off for what seems like forever. It really picked up in 1994 when I decided to go public in Karla Turner's book Taken. I often see Air Force and black helicopters and Coast Guard helicopters fly so illegally low over my house. They have ruined several answering machines over the years as they pass over and sometimes my computer will go blank and shut down. They have also flashed their lights at me."

MILABS

The term MILABS is an acronym that refers to "military abductions" or abductions during which military personnel are seen, sometimes working alone and sometimes working along side of alien beings. There are divergent opinions about these types of abductions. Some researchers believe they are perpetrated by aliens alone or alien-human hybrids dressed in military uniforms. Other researchers believe they are a highly secret group of specially trained humans using alien technology who are working with one or more groups of aliens. Still others claim this is all an illusion perpetrated by "mind control" agents and these events are created via technology such as neural implants, holographs and wave technology that create virtual reality scenarios.

MILABS are extremely controversial and MILAB abductees are viewed by some researchers and organizations as "The Black Sheep" of the abduction phenomenon.(1) In other words, being abducted by aliens is one thing, but to be abducted by one's own military or government is quite a different subject. MILABS or military abductions are perceived as somehow being more unbelievable than alien abductions. Perhaps we can "forgive" the aliens for not knowing better, but our own kind? How and why would they do this to us? What I've learned from studying MILABS is, one of the main reasons the perpetrators abduct abductees is because they are trying to learn everything they can about the aliens' motives and activities.(2)

It is important to understand that both the way the abductee is abducted and the location of the interaction are key in determining who and what we are really dealing with when we talk about MILABS. Some of the questions to ask when studying these cases are: Do the abductors come into the abductee's home? Do they use drugs? Does the abductee report seeing the abductors wearing military uniforms or terrestrial clothing such as medical attire? Is the abductee taken out of the house and loaded into a awaiting helicopter, or suddenly find himself or herself onboard another type of aircraft or in an automobile? Does the abductee find himself or herself in an abandoned building, hospital or military base? Are aliens or hybrids present with the human abductors?

Lisa, can you describe in general terms what your MILAB experiences have been like? For example, do you normally see aliens with the military or government types or do they seem to be working alone?

"About eight years ago I remembered being on a table like I was ready for surgery and I saw tile on the wall: two colors -- white, and I thought green. A doctor I saw -- he's one I have seen before -- older, white headed with a light complexion…he and another doctor were talking and said, 'She can carry three small fetuses inside her.' It was like that was just great or amazing. I felt this was some abandoned military hospital, or maybe just an old one."

Lisa described a similar type of encounter that I came across in a different journal entry. She was lying on a hospital bed and saw two men in military uniforms asking one another, "Do you think she can hear us?"

Lisa continued: "I have seen high-ranking military people in the presence of Reptilians and the military personnel are in complete awe of them. It is frightening to know this, but from what I recall, it seems that the Reptilians tell our military what to do."

"During one encounter, a Reptilian looked at me and said, 'You Have Balls,' because I showed no fear of them. I have also seen Greys walking around military installations like they are just one of the crowd -- as if they belong there."

Can you describe some of the places you remember being taken to during the MILAB encounters? I noted in your journal that you remembered actual names of bases. Can you share more about those with us?

"There are several different places I remember having been taken. One is Langley, Virginia and I was taken there by some sort of underground thing that was so fast moving you could not notice much.(3) When I was inside that place, soldiers escorted me. Most areas I saw were sparsely decorated. I have been taken to bases in round craft and also very fast moving trains they call "shuttles." I have been taken by craft to bases in the water. Now how would we ever escape these places? I recall the military or the government has locations in our towns where they have entrances to these places [via] fast moving elevators. The elevators seemed to just glide. It is weird to know there is a whole other world right under our feet."

"I have also been taken to an underground base in Canada. One military man who I call The Bear has interrogated me there. Most of the time he wants to know what the aliens are asking me or what they have told me. This man said he wanted to 'tap into my mind for stored information.' Another favorite place they take me is Atlanta, Georgia and their code name for this city is 'Flintstones' Playground.' I also remember being taken to an underground area in New York."

Can you describe what it is like to have this information transferred from your mind? I'm curious about that encounter you had in 2007.

"I was with what I took as stick figures…probably a screen memory…I saw peoples' names and phone numbers. I tried so hard to remember, but did not. I heard someone say, 'She is receptive…downloading.' Then I heard someone say, 'Let's see what we have in the magic hat.' I then heard what I took as a knocking on a door sound and then saw an image of me with my head opening up and someone pulling things out, like a magician [pulling something] out of a magic hat."

During other encounters, which I am uncertain were completely extraterrestrial or MILAB, Lisa has been shown a screen and asked,

"What do you see?"

"I see day lilies," she answers.

The voice tells her, "Very good."

Or, a voice asks her, "What do you see?"

Lisa replies, "I see snakes and I need to get them out of here."

Then someone responds to her, "You answered correctly."

She then hears someone say to her, "We have to open and close this compartment." To which Lisa responds, writing in her journal,

"It was like the compartment was my brain."

I also read several references in your journal of you hearing code names during your MILAB experiences. Can you share some of those and what you think they might refer to?

"Some of the code words are their program names and some words are used as key words that have a controlling effect on my mind. They sometimes call me their 'wind up toy.' Other military men have referred to me as their 'carrier pigeon.' Some of the code names I remember are: Top Hat, Top Shelf, Epiphany, Excelsior, and Tango Way." Elvantra is possibly the name of a being."

Lisa also remembers names. One of her abductors is known as Lt. Col. Stevenson. Another is a Lt. Col. Anderson who told her, "You wanted to play." In response to this memory, Lisa wrote, "It was like he was telling me that I knew what it was going to be like, so I needed to shut-up."

"I remember so many people's names. Most of them I believe are just abductees… I believe the military people have been handpicked for this and I have even seen police involved. …the CIA and other government agencies are involved -- not everyone, just certain people within those groups. I've seen famous Hollywood stars, but it is hard to prove. Some of what I've seen is sickening. It would be a shock to the public."

Do you think these people were really with you and are also abductees, or do you think it's possible they were screen memories or what I call 'camouflage' by either the aliens or the MILAB people?

"I believe these people were really with me, although I have noticed the beings screening their images sometimes. Sometimes they [MILAB people] use drugs or will stun me and that causes confusion and will also erase my memories. Some of them actually get off knowing I remember and that I can't do anything about it."

Visions

Let's change the subject to something that I've heard many abductees describe over the years and that is the subject of visions. Some abductees describe having visions of the future. Do you have these types of experiences, and if so, do you feel these visions come from God, the aliens or elsewhere?

"I have what I call open visions and closed visions. A closed vision is when you are told to close your eyes and it appears in your mind. An open vision is when God allows you to see the scene or vision with your eyes open. I have had them appear as I am driving my car. I get also words of knowledge about my family and other people. I have very few dream visions; most of mine involve having straightforward information shown to me. I feel they are from God, especially if they happen as I am shown. I know God can only know the future. Also, the beings have referred to me a 'sensitive.' "

While reading your journal, I noted that like a lot of abductees, you've had several visions showing a rather bleak future for mankind. Where do you think this is all heading?

"I'm not exactly certain who told me, but someone told me if I were to ever write about my experiences to title it, The Eye Of The Storm. I take this as being calm in the center, but with destruction eventually coming…Since I believe in the Bible, it looks bad, but in the end God will correct it all. I also thought you would like to know that the beings call God 'The Source.' "

What is it like dealing with all of this – these different types of encounters?

The abductions are very exhausting. It is like living two separate lives. I cannot remember the last time I had a sound night's sleep. It has also put a strain on my family and friendships. It has been a long, hard road being involved with this stuff and I hope it will all make sense soon."

Bloodlines

You state in your journal that despite being raised a Christian, someone -- possibly the beings themselves -- have told you that you are really Jewish. I read this several times in your journal. I find this very interesting and I was wondering if you could elaborate on this? Does this occur during MILAB encounters, alien encounters or both?

"I am a Christian and also a Jew. I feel so saddened because I sense I am hated for being both. They told me I am a Hidden Jew. I didn't know what that meant until I looked it up. It means, 'Thru the Blood you will be known… [me and others] That is how they will hunt you down.' "

"Then, when I'm with the military [MILAB experience] they call me a Jewish Wench. Years ago during an encounter I was told they would try and find every last one of us through our DNA and that our blood tells so much about who we are. My blood type is B negative, and I believe the RH-negative blood is of importance no matter what part of the human race you are."

Do you believe there is a relationship between being an abductee and being a "hidden Jew" or is this something that is unique? In other words, are only certain abductees of Jewish descent -- hidden Jews -- or is it possible that all abductees have a hidden bloodline in them? Do you think that is the reason we are being abducted in the first place?

"I take being told I am a hidden Jew as if it was for my protection and this has been keep secret for a reason. I have also been told, 'Do not dilute your bloodline.' "

"I believe God has Jews and Gentiles he has selected for his purposes in life. The Bible says '…First the Jew then the Gentile. Whether it be blessings or punishments.' "

I read in your journal that you wear a necklace with the Star of David on it. I also read that there have been a few times when you've awakened after being abducted and it is no longer around your neck, but lying underneath your lower back. In another entry, you wrote:

"My Star of David necklace was taken off again. I found the star on the living room floor, but not the chain. I guess, as I walked through the living room, the Star was maybe in my hair. I heard the cats playing with it. This was expensive, over $250.00. I would hate to lose it."

"Yes -- I have also been awake while it is lifted from my neck and jerked off. Since my Star of David is a Jewish symbol I think it could be the beings who hate us who are removing it. My cross [crucifix] has also been taken and ruined.

Interestingly, the day Lisa found part of her necklace on the floor with the cats playing with the star, she wrote: "A low-flying, large aircraft today…thought it would take my roof off…"

That same day Lisa remembered more about what happened from the night before -- the night her necklace was removed:

"A bad memory surfaced. I saw myself in what looked like a gas station...I saw a man approach me and he had curly, short, dark hair…He said he was Jewish…he told me his name, but I forgot it. He came toward me and I shook his hand…I told him my husband's family name… I go blank as I shake his hand."

Her next memory was of being in a large circle of what she believed were just men. She was told she was the 'dot' in the middle of the circle and she heard someone say that she was being 'indoctrinated.'

"I saw a tray with medical stuff on it and saw a needle. I also thought I saw a cot…" She went on to write in her journal that this disturbed her so greatly she began to cry when she remembered these events. Clearly, more occurred that Lisa could not consciously remember, but on an unconscious level this memory stirred something deep within her to make her shed tears over it.

Has your belief in God changed since you became aware of your experiences and since you were told you are Jewish?

"I have never changed my belief in the Bible; I find it more interesting. The Bible speaks of chariots and also of abductions happening. I do not understand why preachers do not speak more about this. Knowing I am Jewish should be a good thing; we are God's chosen people, but it seems like the world hates us for this. I know that God will bless those who bless the Jewish people."

Change of Life

Has the nature of your experiences changed over the course of your life or have your experiences remained the same?

"I'm still having a lot of abductions, but they have recently changed some because I have entered menopause. My left ear used to have a Morse Code sound in it a lot and that has stopped, however, it still hums and vibrates quite often. I feel that they locate me through implants and they always seem to know where I am, so that part hasn't changed."

The nature of abductions does seem to change for women when they go through menopause. Some women's abductions have ceased while others continue, but involve different types of experiences. There has not been much published on this aspect of the phenomenon, but I am fairly confident that certain abduction researchers are in the process of collecting this data and it will be made public in the not too distant future.

Why So Many Abductions?

The aliens taking ova and sperm, as well as other biological material, has been reported by abductees for over two decades and most people knowledgeable about abductions now believe there is an extensive alien-human hybrid breeding program being undertaken. I asked Lisa why she thought the aliens have been abducting her and others for so many years.

After a lifetime of interaction with these beings, why do you feel they are abducting people?

"I know some of why they are here and people won't like it. The beings have oftentimes thanked me and said, 'You have helped create life more abundantly.' And 'You are of great interest to us.'"

Lisa actually witnessed part of this 'creation' process occurring to a male abductee during one of her encounters.

"…there is this older man sitting in a chair or something and he had this pump on his penis…it had a clear end to it. He looked as if he was in a daze; he was totally naked. It was making him aroused. It looked like some small device that knew what it needed to do when it was placed on him. I felt it had some small buttons on the side and some type of built-in computer around the lower part…it was dark on the lower part."

Another glimpse into Lisa's journal explains why the beings told her she has helped to create life:

"I believe this is from all the eggs they have taken from me. They call the hybrid children The Replacements. I just wonder how they are going to get rid of us humans? The beings have told me that I am a Biologically Engineered Human -- A Prototype, and they are interested in Rh-negative Blood."

Eight years ago Lisa was told, "The hybrids were developed to replenish the human race. They will take their place when a decrease in their kind happens -- usually through disasters. Mankind has been replaced several times through this process, not only through manipulation of their genes; it is a way of improving their stock and developing new species."

What Of Those Lives?

Lisa has also been shown her hybrid children, of which she has many. One of their articles of clothing is depicted here. Yes, Lisa has helped to create life more abundantly, but to what end and at what cost to her physically and emotionally?

Subsequent to her abduction encounters, Lisa has repeatedly documented having severe headaches, dizziness, nausea, vomiting, a bloody vaginal discharge and that she has even awakened lactating for no apparent reason. Lisa has described having every orifice of her body poked or prodded as well as having puncture marks over her kidneys and what appeared to be 'stun gun' marks on her body, according to her husband. She has also described being terribly sexually violated by the Reptilian beings as well as by other humans during her MILAB encounters.

No one knows what it feels like to have a child stolen from you until it happens to you. For many abductees, it is an indescribable loss. We are told that we will see our children again and that some of them will live here on Earth, but is this true? What of those lives? Where are they now?

The idea that the hybrid children -- the hybrid race -- will replace humans one day is, on the one hand, unfathomable, but on the other hand, logical. It makes sense to me after all I've learned from abductees over the past two decades. It makes sense to me after what I've seen with my own eyes. But why are they doing this, and why now?

The general consensus appears to be that we are "killing our planet" and that we are "poisoning ourselves and the animals with whom we share the Earth." This is nothing new. Humans have been doing this since the Industrial Revolution. If the aliens were really concerned about our environment, or us, they wouldn't have let things get this bad. If the aliens really cared about the suffering of children or the suffering of animals, why have they allowed it to occur decade after decade?

Of course, if you ask ten different people these questions, you'll get ten different answers ranging from the notion of a "Galactic Prime Directive of Non-Interference" to the idea that we are nothing but cattle at best -- experimental and disposable lab rats at worst. We can see by studying abductions that the non-interference directive is untrue. We can only hope that the other end of the spectrum is untrue as well, or at least be thankful that the aliens, as far as I know, don't eat meat.(4)

Lisa's case is one of the most difficult cases I have ever undertaken and she is one of the strongest people I've ever known. I learned that either I am blessed with being treated far better by the aliens and these so-called military abductors than Lisa has been, or I am blessed with not remembering the brutality of what they are doing.

Our abductors have taken much from us, but we still have the capacity to love, and despite what has happened to us, many of us love our hybrid children and some of us feel love for certain alien beings. Let us hope that if the hybrid race does replace humans on this planet, they have learned about their human parents and will remember all that was positive in us.

Lisa, do you have any final words for other people who are struggling with abductions?

"Stay strong and pray. I will hold my head up -- and I will tell others -- do not let any alien or human make you feel unworthy. I will fight so the human race can survive this phenomenon. I appreciate every writer who has contributed knowledge about this phenomenon. Because of them, we can now speak out. Thank you, and God Bless." -- Lisa

Notes

(1) "Black Sheep of the Abduction Phenomenon:" Personal communication with ICAR -- Joe and Linda Montaldo: International Community for Alien Research http://www.icar1.com While this statement does not reflect the personal views of the Montaldos it does describe the attitudes of certain researchers and organizations about abductees who report MILAB abductions.

(2) For in-depth information about MILABS see: http://www.alienjigsaw.com/Milabs/milabs.html

(3) From MILABS: Project Open Mind -- About Lisa: "I remembered Lisa telling me about this experience when I was speaking at a conference in the South [many years ago] but we didn't have the privacy or the time to go into much detail about it. In Lisa's words, then:

'There's some name of an Air Force Base of either Langdon or Langley...I was being taken to in Virginia. I remember seeing it briefly on some wooden crates and also thought someone mentioned it. I might be wrong, but I think I got there by an underground shuttle. I thought I was in a tunnel cave. I know military men were escorting me -- thought other people were being taken too, but I seemed to not care.'

'Next, I recall I'm walking fast with men around me. I thought [I saw] green clothes and I'm sure black too. They looked like 'all American looking guys.' Off to my left were very tall wooden crates and [I was] able to see that much of the name -- [Langdon or Langley]...The next feeling is, I'm being spoken to. Then a scene exploded in my mind...my son was laying dead, and I remember saying out loud... "God gave me this child, you had no right to do this..." '

"I asked Lisa if she knew what was located in Langley, Virginia. Lisa had a rather blank look on her face and said, no, that she thought it was an Air Force Base. Langley, Virginia is where the CIA has their main base of operations. The CIA also has a newer facility in McLean, Virginia, which is not very far from Langley. During my research for more information about Langley, Virginia, I noticed that my Rand McNally Map Book did not have Langley listed in the index or on the map for the state of Virginia. Fortunately, I was eventually able to locate both cities on a 1996 map published by a different map company."

"I was able to determine that Lisa is correct. There is a Langley Air Force Base in Hampton, Virginia. Adjacent to the base is a government research lab and research center named NASA -- Langley Research Center. In addition, there is also a Fort Langley located in British Columbia, Canada, and a city in Washington named Langley."

"I was also able to find references to several underground installations in Virginia. According to Dr. Richard Sauder, author of Underground Bases and Tunnels, there is one underground facility operated by the Army in Warrenton, Virginia; another underground facility operated by DOD, the Department of Defense, under the Pentagon, and another underground facility operated by the Navy in Sugar Grove, West Virginia."

(4) I have heard this from numerous abductees over the years as well as being taught this during my own experiences with them. The idea that aliens in general do not eat meat or do not want us to eat meat has also been written about in a couple of recently published books, including Jim Sparks' The Keepers (Wildflower Press) and Robert M. Collins' Exempt From Disclosure (Peregrine Communications, 865 Helke Road, Vandalia, OH, 45377).

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To read Karla Turner's Books on-line visit: http://www.karlaturner.org/

For other references to abduction research & support please visit the links on my Resource page: http://www.alienjigsaw.com/Resources/Resources.html

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